Wire Edge Myth or Fact

Bogie

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I was honing a 'new to me' blade today. As I was honing it I remembered when I got started about fifteen years ago, there was a lot of talk about being careful not to create a wire edge. I haven't seen much reference to it in the last few years. Fifteen years later, I don't know that I have seen a wire edge on a razor I sharpened. So my question to others that have experience, is the wire edge a myth or have I just been lucky? I don't hone much anymore and usually only do touch ups unless I stumble onto a vintage 'must have blade'.

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Bogie

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Interesting read. Thank you.
It appears chasing a perfect edge and having the tools to view it make quite a difference. My experience is so much more basic. I usually hone until I can get a good edge usually at least pass a HHT test. That said the HHT test is not the 'end all' some think it is. The final test is how smooth a shave the blade provides. If it is smooth and gives a close shave, I'm done.
Great research you referenced.
 

Mr Brick

Member
I just got my second razor, and I may consider honing one razor with edge leading and the other with edge trailing to see which shave i like best. It seems more common that people use edge leading strokes to hone their razors.
 

Bogie

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I'll be interested in your results. I always thought trailing edge strokes might leave a more jagged edge with steel particles not cleanly removed. Please let me know what you find.
 

drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
It's not a bogeyman for scaring new straight shavers; it's a real thing and a sad waste of good steel. Edge trailing draws out the metal into the 'fin' or 'wire edge'. Depending on the hardness of the steel, it may be easy or difficult to produce, but when you have one you will know. A 10x handheld loupe will let you see all its ragged glory, and when you do see it, you understand that in use it will crumble, snap and start to cut and dig out divots of skin.
I can see why there might be some confusion. Twenty years ago we were taught that one never uses an edge-tailing stroke, and we scared to do it. But starting with circle strokes and then back-and-forth strokes, it has become obvious that as long as every edge-trailing stroke is matched with an edge-leading stroke, no wire edge builds up (caveats: very soft metal can misbehave , - buy a Pakistani razor and a loupe and see what I mean, and if you use different pressure for one direction compared to the other - say firm for trailing stroke, and light for leading stroke. Then you can still come to grief.) Another factor that means you don't hear about them so much is that the shaving world has moved on, both in terms of our hones, which tend to be of finer grit than 20 years ago ("Norton 4k/8k and done!"? Very few stop at 8k), and the use of barber hones and general carpentry hones has all but gone. A fine hone can still screw up an edge, but it takes a lot longer to do it. Plus we don't have to massive influx of enthusiastic newbies we once had, all keen to get it keen, and very prone to doing much more to an edge that was actually required.
 

Mr Brick

Member
Sometimes I learn the easy way. I think im going to do both edge leading and edge tailing for one razor, and edge leading only for the other.

Once i decide which stones to get; of course. It feels like a big decision.
 

drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
All my honing is now back and forth; edge leads, edge trails. It has never given me any problem except for once: I fell for some misinformation elsewhere that declared with oil on a black surgical Arkansas you can hone all day and it just gets sharper. I can tell you now that it is just not true. Gave me an edge like well-used tin-foil. Had to breadknife it and start from scratch according to the usual well-tested regime.
But as I've said so many times, there are many roads to Rome, and lots of different ways to get an edge that will make you happy.
 
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brothers

Member
. . . . starting with circle strokes and then back-and-forth strokes, it has become obvious that as long as every edge-trailing stroke is matched with an edge-leading stroke, no wire edge builds up . . . .
That's the answer in a nutshell. It's a learning curve, for sure. Good information!
 

Mr Miyagi

New member
Even a jnat, finished with slurry and only edge leading strokes can create a wire edge. There is a limit to what edge the steel can support. Most of what is shown here will go away with linen and leather, but at this point it might be a good idea to take a step back to get a more durable edge.
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Bogie

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My best edges have always been had with an edge leading technique. It has been an interesting thread. Thank you all for your input.
 

KidMoe

New member
I think Howard Schecter using a method some veteran honers call "jointing" to get rid of them. I never tried it myself as I never ran into a situation where I overhone to a wire edge or ran into a razor that produced one with normal honing, but hey, if anyone is feeling adventurous...

 

Razorfaust

New member
Yeah they exist I don't run into it that often but if you do just drag the edge on the side of the stone or even a cutting board and just keep going it wont hang around long. Then finish as usual.
 
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