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    I think we should change the topic of the thread to: What happens to us when we die?
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    Is there still a Flat Earth Society?
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    I found a hone that was not flat
    And cursed the stars above.
    Then I found a mighty wedge
    With edge needing repair.
    Each hand held one, I cried out loud
    And fell into bottomless despair.
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    Egos and hubris not withstanding, I hesitate to post my opinion for fear of a public spanking .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Miller View Post
    You have forgotten (yet again) that there is info from way back to support lapping hones to flat whereas there is nothing to support dishing hones.

    Read your reasoning (above) about Stodart and Perrer - the argument you extend about them applies equally well to your perverse argument re: dished hones - with a little exception viz. razor makers and cutlery makers of the time belonged to 'worshipful' guilds, such as the Company Cutlers, which involved a lengthy apprenticeship guided by a master. No need to read - they learned by following the master....

    Oh and congratulations about visiting more barber shops than anyone else, even the japanese, I suppose...

    Jesus wept, is this desperation or what? Or is it Groundhog day all over again....

    As for the photo - I knew that!

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    With all due respect, the title of this thread is How did barbers hone a wedge in the olden days. And not How were barbers taught how to hone wedges in the olden days. Just because two elite fellows in history recommended that everyone from now on flatten their stones does not mean that everyone did. The question is how did barber hone, not how cutlers did or recommended that other do.

    Barbers were not members of the High Order of Worshipful Guild, and had nothing to do with them.
    I am just trying to be logical here as to how far reaching the influences of Perret and Stodart were, and their ideas were published fairly late in the "wedge era". Currently there are about 50 countries in Europe alone and 60 different languages spoken. 300 years ago those number could be multiplied. Logically speaking the printed words of a frenchman in 1790 in French were probably not widely translated or read. Realistically there is not a gate in time where all barbers were sent out a memo saying that from now on everyone will only use flat hones.

    My theory still stands, dished stones are not a rarity, they are a common item and are at a common state of concavity just from being used. Have you ever used a purposefully dished stone with a razor? I have one that I will send you today to borrow. Seriously, I will send you one to try out at no charge to you.

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    I was shown this hone by Spiny Norman himself!
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    Look, Alex, you chose to propose this lunatic idea re: dished hones apropos zilch for some reason that completely eludes me, and furthermore you continue to push it like it is a proven matter of fact when it is nothing of the kind.

    When anyone tries to educate you about your misconcieved idea you defend it by categorising the sensible so that it does not fit within the outlines of the OPs original question, which is absurd, or attempting to diminish sensible arguments with specious detractions with no merit.

    YOu have been asked plenty of times by people including me to give evidence rather than your erroneous preconceptions and you still have not done so.

    Put your money where your mouth is and prove what you say with facts, not self-serving ideas. Anyone can spout nonsensical misinformation, where a clever man would choose to find some supporting evidence first.

    Your (and I mean YOUR idea) would have been better received (on this forum and others) if you had couched it in terms of "I have found that a dished hone can finish a smiling wedge" or similar (never mind the fact that all you could do with such a hone was finish an edge as you would need a series of hones with the exact dish characteristics to do any remedial work) which demonstrates a certain amount of modesty.

    Not you though Alex - no sooner do you find that you can hone on a dished hone then you jump head first into a pool of arrogance and proclaim that all barbers used dished hones with not the slightest shred of proof whatsoever.

    Saying that it works (within certain confines) would merit no arguments to the contrary IMHO, but asserting antique barbers all used dished hones with no supporting evidence looks like one great big, self-aggrandizing ego trip.

    I repeat my request made a good number of pages back - show me some proof (and please spare me any more hot air - thanks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WW243 View Post
    I found a hone that was not flat
    And cursed the stars above.
    Then I found a mighty wedge
    With edge needing repair.
    Each hand held one, I cried out loud
    And fell into bottomless despair.
    Nice!

    Now, with my sincere apologies to Edgar Allen Poe:

    The Raven

    Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
    By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,
    “Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven,
    Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore—
    Tell me where I can find a dished hone on Night’s Plutonian shore!”
    Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”

    Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer
    Swung by antique barbers whose foot-falls pattered on the floor.
    “Wretch,” I cried, “thy God hath lent thee—by these barbers he hath sent thee
    Respite—respite from thy memories of dusty dished hone lore;
    Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost hone hoare!”
    Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”

    “Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!” I shrieked, upstarting—
    “Get thee back into the tempest and the Night’s Plutonian shore!
    Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
    Leave my loneliness unbroken!—leave the dust on dished hone lore!
    Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!”
    Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”

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    Mine was a PLW (Poem Like Words).
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