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    I have used this technique pretty much since I started honing razors. I learned it from Bart's site and use it for different reasons at different times. It is not difficult or magical. I don't agree that this is an advanced technique but such matters are not up to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legday69 View Post
    So if you kill the edge you need to start back at 1k bevel setting ?
    Thank you all for answering I'm just trying to store info , I don't hone yet , I was advised against starting to soon so I'm just trying to learn for later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legday69 View Post
    Thank you all for answering I'm just trying to store info , I don't hone yet , I was advised against starting to soon so I'm just trying to learn for later
    I will only ask, can you walk and chew gum at the same time? I never subscribed to that ridiculous notion. And, you don't even have to shave and hone at the same time.
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    or drive a truck,,its pretty easy,, just jump in,, but knowing how to shave will help you with knowing what an edge is like,, but on topic ,, I don't know that its killijg an edge so much as lining it back straight like Euclid said "jointing" and it may not be an advanced technique but some new guys get carried away with it Tc
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    I agree with TC. It's not rockect science we're doing here. However, one HAS to know what a sharp/keen/smooth (whatever you want to call it) feels like, BEFORE you learn how to finish a razor.

    In all honesty, here's how I 'learned how to hone:

    I had several of my Father's SR's, from when he barbered for a living. I sent one off to a real Brick and Mortar business to be honed. Then I 'honed' another of his SR's. Comparing the 2, I adjusted my 'technique' until I achieved the same 'feel' as the 'professionaly honed' blade. I then sent 3 other SR's to SRP members who had a reputation of being top notch honers. Now, I have 4 SR's honed by people who know what they are doing, to compare my own abilities to. It took several hours spent leaning over hones to get to the point I feel I can properly hone. But, it is a never ending learning process. Everyone has thier own 'taste' as to what is a smooth shaving SR. But getting several others 'tastes', I developed a feel for what, on the average, a 'good shave felt like.'

    IMO, once a person learns proper shaving technique, if he wants to, jump into honing. Go for it. Yes, there is a learning process. Yes, you will mess a few blades up, so don't "learn" on an heirloom razor. Ebay is full of 'learners.' IMO, the biggest thing is, you have to have a model to judge your own abilities. And be willing to accept and learn from your failures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longhaultanker View Post
    I will only ask, can you walk and chew gum at the same time? I never subscribed to that ridiculous notion. And, you don't even have to shave and hone at the same time.
    I'm not sure to take your comment as being a rude smart ass or not , but I'm new to something and if someone with much more experience gives me advice I tend to listen and if he may happen to be wrong with his advice then I'll figure it out eventually it's not that big of a deal all the same I'm just trying to learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legday69 View Post
    Thank you all for answering I'm just trying to store info , I don't hone yet , I was advised against starting to soon so I'm just trying to learn for later
    You will but do know that the economics of a worthy set of hones will justify a large number
    of professional honings and a spare razor before you get the skill to match the hones.

    First invest in a better than average strop.

    Also if you have a razor that shaves well you only need a good touch up hone (10-15k or so).
    Touch up honing is not discussed enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legday69 View Post
    I'm not sure to take your comment as being a rude smart ass or not , but I'm new to something and if someone with much more experience gives me advice I tend to listen and if he may happen to be wrong with his advice then I'll figure it out eventually it's not that big of a deal all the same I'm just trying to learn
    You want to learn honing a straight razor? Watch the videos, pick up the razor and stones, and start honing. That's how you learn, not by waiting. Whether refreshing at the high end or bevel setting at the low end, pick up the gear and start. By waiting you only grow old and still know nothing. Get after it. Yes, it's not rocket science, nor is it mystical black arts.

    As to being a smart ass, no offense taken. When you're trying to kill a sacred cow, you just kill it.
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    I kind of wish I had foresight to realize what was going on the last time I used this. There was a small chip in the blade, I figured I'd do a quick light stroke in the side of a barber's hone and reset it. Barber's hone because it would remove steel not just roll the edge like glass. Kill edge and reset mostly for experimentation.

    At the time, my train of thought was that I had shot myself in the foot because all of a sudden that itty bitty chip had become rather large, and there was a new chip a bit closer to the toe. Again, very light stroke, I could barely feel the blade contacting the hone. In retrospect, I probably uncovered and removed steel that would've flaked off and made life a nightmare as it slowly chipped away over several normal refreshing sessions.

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    Mashal, im dealing with almost that same thing. I put it down and will come back to it. But i got two irritating type shaves from a razor i love and use a lot. I took a good look at it with a loupe and found the tinyest chips. Close to the heal. Killed the edge and started honing back at 1k. Chips got bigger and more of them. Them killed the edge again and again and the chip kept multiplying. I put it down and will hope i can get it under control. I really enjoy this razor but if its going to crumble apart on me, maybe i should just put it way for looking at.

    I havent given up on it yet. Will try some more times to get it squared away but its not looking good for it.
    Jerry...

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