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    Default heavydutysg135's Edge Uniformity Test post?

    I was wondering where Heavyduty's thesis about the edge uniformity test was? (The one that got the whole basic and advanced honing subsections started). I can't find it and it's a pretty important (IMHO) thread.

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    The original thread was posted by David "Heavyduty" Polan, on BadgerandBlade. Section 6-6, Sharpness Tests Vs. Edge Uniformity Tests - Bevel Creation Guide - Badger & Blade

    I think a reworked version is in the Wiki: Bevel Creation Guide - Straight Razor Place Wiki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    The original thread was posted by David "Heavyduty" Polan, on BadgerandBlade. Section 6-6, Sharpness Tests Vs. Edge Uniformity Tests - Bevel Creation Guide - Badger & Blade

    I think a reworked version is in the Wiki: Bevel Creation Guide - Straight Razor Place Wiki.

    Bart.
    Hey guys, I am honored that someone felt that my article was important enough to put in the shave Wiki, but I am surprised, disappointed, and feel disrespected that someone took my post from another forum, made a few minor changes (just changing my "I's" to "We"), and did not ask or give the original author credit for the ideas and work and posted it as community work without any citations. This was done without my knowledge or approval. Isn’t this plagiarism or am I missing something? I would like to know who was responsible for this and why I was not informed. When I originally posted this article before the forum crash several of the most respected members of the forum outright insulted me for this article, and I made the conscious decision not to post it here again.

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    I am going to assume that whoever made that page did so as an honest mistake, and if that is the case then they need to read these pages so they have an idea of what they are doing:

    Plagiarism.org : Learning Center : Plagiarism Definitions, Tips on avoiding Plagiarism, Guidelines for proper citation, & Help Indentifying Plagairism

    Plagiarism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    This community is supposed to be made up of gentleman and I hope that we won't have this type of problem in the future or else I will not be a part of it.

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    Thank you, I will contact him and see if he knows what happened here.

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    In the history page of that Wiki entry, you can see in detail who posted, and who did the subsequent editing. Revision history of "Bevel Creation Guide" - Straight Razor Place Wiki

    BeBerlin has put a lot of effort in giving the Wiki a good start. I believe the idea was to dug out valuable info of (old) threads and give them a more permanent display in the Wiki fromat.
    I think it would be much better to contact the original poster and encourage him (or assist him) to transfer his writings to the Wiki. I have suggested that on another thread, but BeBerlin was opposed against it. http://www.straightrazorplace.com/fo...tml#post288902

    Clearly, David, your rights were violated, but I'm very sure the people involved were not acting for their personal profit. They just tried to make the best possibe Wiki. I hope you can come to an agreement.

    Excuse me for linking to the article it in this thread. I was unaware that it was put there without your aproval. Maybe it helps to know that I gave you credit for your vast and generously shared knowledge about honing, in one of my own Wiki entries. A simple honing method with DMT-E , Belgian Blue Whetstone and Coticule - Straight Razor Place Wiki

    Best regards,
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    Let me begin by clearly stating that this discussion is based on an honest mistake, combined with a gap in the communication between me, another member, and yourself. I have detailled that in a PM I just sent to you.

    On a semi-related note, I would like to comment on one point here:

    Quote Originally Posted by heavydutysg135 View Post
    I am going to assume that whoever made that page did so as an honest mistake, and if that is the case then they need to read these pages so they have an idea of what they are doing:
    Plagiarism.org : Learning Center : Plagiarism Definitions, Tips on avoiding Plagiarism, Guidelines for proper citation, & Help Indentifying Plagairism
    Plagiarism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Just for the record, the only copyright notice I can find on B&B is the one in their Wiki. This happens to be Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.5 Generic - if you want to effectively protect your work from being used anywhere else, you will need to publish it under another license.

    Quote Originally Posted by heavydutysg135 View Post
    This community is supposed to be made up of gentleman and I hope that we won't have this type of problem in the future or else I will not be a part of it.
    As I said: Sincere apologies offered, and I hope, accepted. I have taken the page off the Wiki until you declare this issue settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    I think it would be much better to contact the original poster and encourage him (or assist him) to transfer his writings to the Wiki. I have suggested that on another thread, but BeBerlin was opposed against it. http://www.straightrazorplace.com/fo...tml#post288902
    With all due respect, I cannot quite see how you come to the conclusion that I suggested that the original poster should not be contacted. Point in case, someone else said I need not contact David. Obviously, this was a mistake, I offered my apologies, the offending Wiki entry is removed - case settled as far as I am concerned.

    Just for the record, I suggested that the copyright issue be clarified when the Wiki was launched, and have contacted each and every member whose material was used in the Wiki (David being the sole exception).

    And one more thing: I started replacing the first person narrative with third person when we published this article: Brands of Straight Razors to avoid - Straight Razor Place Wiki . We even got a lawyer involved for this one. As much as I can understand David's being upset, I object any insinuation of wilful copyright infringement.

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    wouldn't it be enough to publish articles as originally written with a citing of the writer? I'm not familiar with legalities etc. but figure that would be cool right?

    I read part of this article, just out of curiosity, and found the third person to be a bit awkward. for me it would make more sense written in the first person. If oriinally written for a wiki I'd like it without any person at all (whatever that would be called). for instance (and ahead of time heavyduty Please don't take offense at me using this sentence, just for an example.

    as written first sentence:
    I decided to make this thread to teach people how I assess the edge quality at the most important step in the honing process, the bevel creation stage.

    if I were given permission to edit it:
    The purpose of this thread is to teach people a method for assessing the edge quality at the most important step in the honing process, the bevel creation stage.

    I haven't read the rest of the wiki, just saying how I would write them up if it were me. I don't of course have enough knowledge to contribute the wiki (and can't for some reason my login doesn't carry over to the wiki, I tried it last night).

    anyways, hope you guys all work it out. I will say that heavyduty sure knows how to hone, the razor I bought from him shaved fantastic for a long time.

    Red

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Red View Post
    wouldn't it be enough to publish articles as originally written with a citing of the writer? I'm not familiar with legalities etc. but figure that would be cool right?
    Yes, I think that's what should have been done. I feel silly for not having searched out his authorship when I first saw the wiki article. And of course upon the author's request it should be removed (as it was)
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