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    Thanks GWT. I am not an advocate of the double bevel yet. OTOH, a member posted about double bevels and bevels in general in the SRP Wiki here and here. He also posted illustrative diagrams and if you haven't seen them it may be of interest to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHAD View Post
    Thanks GWT. I am not an advocate of the double bevel yet. OTOH, a member posted about double bevels and bevels in general in the SRP Wiki here and here. He also posted illustrative diagrams and if you haven't seen them it may be of interest to you.
    cool, going to look now (jeez if it's the same stuff I'll look like a thief)

    I'm just making all of this up based on what I have seen and what I know of other things

    for example
    the SS can be seen to melt off if the blade is stropped on paste without tape so the DB becomes a single (sort of)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr View Post
    no no Ron, I'm talking about the badge and not what you said

    this has nothing to do with you
    you clearly stated yourself not to be an expert on double bevels (is there such a thing even?)

    no harm meant and I agree completely with what you are saying

    I'm pointing at a problem with the badge
    I deleted my response to what you wrote because you deleted what I was responding to and now you've gone and responded to my response to what you deleted.
    I took no offense. I don't care about the badge. If you care about what I think, you can check what I wrote about it in the original announcement about it. I don't want to re-hash it. I think if you re-read what I wrote about the double bevel just prior to my question about it, you'll see that I agree with your assertion about the double bevel. I see nothing in the diagram that suggests that a DB edge would weaker. It seems that it should be stronger.

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    yes

    we are on the same page

    I was taking issue with the " he is a mentor, therefore he is right" comment

    I saw the original thread and really didn't want this to get off topic either
    nor was I originally the one who did, rather the "he is a mentor" comment is to blame.

    EDIT
    I'll put it back

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    I would be interested to see these diagrams where the razor is laying on the strop to be able to further visualize any of this.

    The only empirical advantage I have ever been able to find with a double bevel as a result of taping is the protection of the spine, either to protect a Damascus pattern or wear. I have never been able to obtain a better shave or a longer lasting edge in any way shape or manner.

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    thanks Lynn
    without you my razors would still be dull, or gone worse yet
    I spent hours and hours and hours never getting my first razor sharp
    then I found this site

    I was only theorizing with the whole first shoulder, second shoulder, edge thing based on staring through the scope

    except for the part about the secondary shoulder melting when stropped on paste sans tape, that is for sure

    this actually all ties in with your statements that "LESS STROKES IS BETTER"
    I agree,and the DB refines the edge in a rapid manner allowing less strokes

    the place I have really seen benefits was
    1 with very slow stones (barber hones originally)
    2 after establishing a bevel after restoration (push perfect edge faster)
    3 finicky steel + poor hone choices (less strokes IS better)


    I was trying out a particular hone the other day on an already shave ready razor.
    Turns out the hone sucked and boogered the edge up.

    since this was a single bevel blade I just threw on some tape and put a double bevel on it
    no going back through the progression

    I've done the same with stainless when going from a medium hone straight to a finish hone.
    you isolate the edge and use less strokes

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    I suppose that in order to get benefit from having a shoulder, the secondary bevel would have to be short. TI guess the idea would be to take most of the pressure from the strop on the shoulder and kind of protect the edge that way. But, since we are talking very small distances here, I suspect there may not be any practical difference in the real world.

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    Great scientific post.

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