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    Default 8000 Jp Quick Review

    I feel I at least owe some of you a review of the stone I got from Harrelson Stanley, the new Japanese Glass stone #50803. This is a completly different stone than the one described by Lynn at least that is what i found out from Shapton today. First let me say, this stone is made for carbon steel, and have no idea how it would work on stainless blades. I know for almost certain it is specialized for steels similar to those found in vintage razors and ones made today that are "classical" in the type of steel that was made before modern alloys. So please do not think you can sharpen lots of other stuff and get the same versitilty that the US version gives you. This stone is very different. Japanese craftsmen are very traditional and much of the tools they use today is still made the way it was for centuries.
    Why I looked for an alternative is because I noticed under magnification, rather harsh scratches for that level grit on some of my old sheffield blades. Now, let's get something straight, this is in know way saying the sweet 16 is not up to the task. It is and much more versitile, but being the nut that I am the scratches bothered me. Reading Jimmy's thread on Less is More is right on the money and there are folks here who are light years ahead of me in their experience and will out sharpen me in a New York minute. So read on at your own risk, I am being essoteric. That is a term that means you can be certifiabley insane when there are other folks who have similar brains. I am eternaly greatful to Lynn for creating such a world.

    The test subject was an old Wade & Butcher wedge. Not a fancy one, but I picked it cause it had a large bevel and I wanted to see better what the 8000j would do. It was previously finished on a 16000 Shapton then further on a .3micron film.
    The scratch pattern of the 8000 are very soft looking under the microscope in comparison to the ones left by the 16k. I don't have a way of taking pics or I would. The edge itself was clean and crisp with no visible wire edge.
    The shave test: I purposly shaved directly off the 8000j. That really is all you need to know, because most of us would hit a paste or at least the strop. The shave was BBS and smooth. It honestly could have used a little more refinement but it was still by my standards very comfy and one of my closest shaves and I don't know any other synthetic 8000 I would shave off of.
    So there you have it, reported by your very own little experimental guinie pig.

    Mike

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    thank you for the review!
    I have a question though;
    what type of mikroskope do you have and under what magnification
    could you see scratches left from the 16k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesslemming View Post
    thank you for the review!
    I have a question though;
    what type of mikroskope do you have and under what magnification
    could you see scratches left from the 16k?
    Just a ordinary light microscope. It is probably about 40 yrs old and I was looking at the bevel with the middle objective with light hung directly over bevel. The #s are so worn I don't know but I am guessing around 200X. Yes, that bothered me that I could see them,
    that was why I wrote the other earlier thread that ruffled feathers cause as Jimmy and other stated, the scratches are not goiing to be felt on the face. This is more for the honer who looks at putting a bevel on his razor the way a golf fanatic looks at a new driver.But if you can't swing you would be better buying a tennis racket instead
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    Mike, I don't know that it 'ruffled my feathers'. Maybe it could be interpreted that way. I'll tell one on myself though. I had a razor that I wasn't crazy about. I had bought it in the classifieds on an impulse and it didn't shave to suit me so I honed it. Got it to the shave readiness that I like and later sent it to a fellow as part of a trade for an expensive hone.

    I was looking forward to his shaving with it and giving me an assessment of my honing ability but it never got that far. He sent a PM to me saying that he had looked at it under 200x and there were micro chips.

    I was mortified. I thought about it awhile and replied to him that if he only used 30x as I do his honing results would improve dramatically. I would venture to say that your scratch patterns would too if you drop down to 30x.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHAD View Post
    Mike, I don't know that it 'ruffled my feathers'. Maybe it could be interpreted that way. I'll tell one on myself though. I had a razor that I wasn't crazy about. I had bought it in the classifieds on an impulse and it didn't shave to suit me so I honed it. Got it to the shave readiness that I like and later sent it to a fellow as part of a trade for an expensive hone.

    I was looking forward to his shaving with it and giving me an assessment of my honing ability but it never got that far. He sent a PM to me saying that he had looked at it under 200x and there were micro chips.

    I was mortified. I thought about it awhile and replied to him that if he only used 30x as I do his honing results would improve dramatically. I would venture to say that your scratch patterns would too if you drop down to 30x.
    In the end it is all about the shave. You know Jimmy, it is a very personal thing when you take your honing to the level of a sport. People in the West often ignore the Japanese when it comes to their Craftsmanship and to me, maybe this has something to do with that. It is a nostalgic thing for me since many of my tools are Japanese and I have spent many hours of my own life forming opinions on when is their "blue" steel better or when do I prefer the "white". All of their hand tools and razors are still made the old fashioned way very much the way Western razor makers still do. Their razors do not get so easily dismissed and command higher prices. Most of the work Japanese do does not require High Speed Steel or anything other than the kind of steel that our vintage and their vintage razors are made of. Do you realize that many in our generation other than Straight Shavers rarely use carbon steel anymore? So why not find out what they are doing with keeping them sharp? Our Western version hone in many ways is superior in that it can handle all kinds of material. My preference based on my own experience for razor steel, is now the Japanese version. It is a very hard and dense stone and has a completly different feel to it compared to the Western Version.
    Kevin asked if he could have my sweet 16,ooo and I told him exactly where he could go. Mine is about half worn through and it handles gummy steels like no other. I don't have a stainless blade yetProfessionally Sharpened Dovo "Renaissance" 6/8" http://straightrazordesigns.com/inde...ucts_id=397but when I do, the 16000 will be doing the work. (After Master Lynn's edge wears off of course)
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    Does this mean I won the gray?

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    I know what your saying Mike. I do hone for sport and that is a big difference. I hadn't heard of the Japanese chisels, planes, etcetera before getting into honing straights and going to websites such as Japan Woodworker. I have always loved tools and they certainly are beautiful. Works of art as much as a tool. I can see where a person would get into honing them especially if they were a woodworker whether professional or a hobbyist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevint View Post
    Does this mean I won the gray?
    If your a good boy, I will let you lick the swarf off my sharpening station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHAD View Post
    I know what your saying Mike. I do hone for sport and that is a big difference. I hadn't heard of the Japanese chisels, planes, etcetera before getting into honing straights and going to websites such as Japan Woodworker. I have always loved tools and they certainly are beautiful. Works of art as much as a tool. I can see where a person would get into honing them especially if they were a woodworker whether professional or a hobbyist.
    Really Jimmy? I would never have guessed, you being so pragmatic and all.
    (You can't hide, I know you are a sick and twisted honing freak)
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    Magnification is 100x, just wiped grime off lower objective lens. 10 eye piece 10 lower obj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfish View Post
    If your a good boy, I will let you lick the swarf off my sharpening station.
    OMG
    promise me old man that you really didnt go there.
    I would say: ya got me. But that may be the same line hap used on you.

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