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    Post One Stone Honing.. from Lynn and Glen

    Let me sorta explain how this thread started, Lynn and I were doing some general BS'n one day on the phone about 1 month ago..

    He says "Dude yer not going to believe what I have been working on" Well it turns out that for that past few months he and I were doing pretty much the exact same things...

    We had both been working various Stones and Hones using a variation of Lynn's "20 Circles to Sharp" routine that works so well on setting the bevel...
    Turns out that yes you can use just about any hone that you want to shave off of to get a close comfortable shave, all it has to do is be able to create or hold a slurry...
    There is no magical stone, they pretty much all work, but you have to do your part.. There is also no complicated routine to follow, you just do circles then finishing strokes...
    I have done this on a Norton 8k, a Naniwa 8k & 10k a Shapton 8k a Thuringen, an Escher, a Coticule, the Chinese PHIG, even a Nakayama Midori...

    Here is where this is different from a normal progression routine at least IMHO, I have found that this hits the first time though, about 70% of the time, some are higher like the Nakayama, some lower..
    This will be great for those of you that don't own a ton of razors, and that have the time to mess with the ones that need re-touching after a test shave... You really need a bevel setter, for those razors that need heavier lifting, I used a King 1k during all my testing since they are so cheap to buy, and straight forward to use...

    I will let Lynn take this from here, as he did way more testing on this then I did...

    I am going to leave this thread closed until Lynn gets time to post his info then we will re-open it for questions and comments...


    I just loaded a couple of vids on YouTube on this ...


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    As Glen said, this was actually pretty funny that we were experimenting on similar lines.

    So, with all the Coticule hype, and cot method discussion lately, I had already found out that you could pretty much do these methods with any natural stone and come away with OK results. It worked on razors in decent condition and razors that had bevels properly established. If it didn't hit right away, you could tinker some and these methods will work. The question to me was that because I could use the circle method on the synthetic stones and come away with excellent results almost 10 out of 10 times first time through the process, could I use the circle method on the natural stones just varying the slurry thickness and what would the results be.

    So.........I took my Escher stone, largest Coticule, Asagi, Kiita and Ohzuku and decided to have some fun. I took some pics of the stones that you will see below.

    I used 20 brand new razors and 10 used/vintage razors on each stone. With the used or vintage razors, I set the bevels on a 1K Naniwa Chosera before going to the naturals. I used a generic nagura stone from JapanWoodworker for slurry on all stones. Its' the white looking stone in the pics below.

    The method was pretty straight forward. I used the circle method as seen on the video from the NC Gathering and applied it to the natural stones only I varied the amount of slurry on each.

    The method:

    I did 40 circles both clockwise and counter clockwise with a sludge like thick slurry followed by 10 X strokes. Firm pressure was used with the thick slurry on both the circles and X strokes.

    I then did 40 circles again both clockwise and counter clockwise with a thinner, but still milk like slurry. On this set of circles I also used firm pressure. I followed these circles with 40 more circles in both directions only this time I only used the weight of the razor and then after the second set of circles did 10 X strokes with minimal pressure.

    Next, I watered down the slurry to a light consistency and did 10 X strokes with minimal to no pressure followed by 10 X strokes on just water, again with virtually no pressure.

    At this point I started shave testing the razors and the results were OK, but personally, I like the results with .5 diamond spray on felt better, so I started adding 10 no pressure strokes using the spray as a finish before going to the strop. Stropping was the usual 50-60 strokes on my Premium I.

    I pretty much used the TPT going through the honing, but the razors were shaving forearm hair after the thick slurry and popping hairs after the medium slurry routines.

    I think what was very cool here is that around 7 out of 10 razors hit first time around using this process. On the ones that didn't hit first time, I went back to either the light slurry or to the medium slurry based on how the razor shave tested and with a little tinkering, I could get the razor to shave ready.

    From a results stand point and this is purely personal, I like the edges off the Escher, Asagi and Ohzuku the best, but the Kiita and Coticule were decent.

    Next, I am going to get some additional nagura stones and play around some more. The point for me in all this is that there are a ton of can do ways to hone which makes this so much fun and most of the stones out there will work for you. It really boils down to personal preference and you experimenting to find out what works the best for you.

    You guys know I am technologically challenged, but I will try to get some pics of the the 3 levels of slurry I was using.

    Give these methods a try and see how they work for you. As you can tell Glen and I do things a little different, but there is definite similarity to the processes.

    Have fun,

    Lynn
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    Damn those are some badass looking stones Lynn. Raises my heart rate looking at them. I've been using the circle technique/x strokes that since Lynn turned me on to it some months ago with success.

    I've only done the one stone honing with coticules since the dulicot method was first presented. I did it to see if I could but I have a bunch of stones so prefer to use them. Good to see that those folks who only have one can get there with persistence and perseverance.

    Thanks to Glen for bringing it up and for the videos and Lynn for contributing this great post.
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    Oh-Oh Lynn now you've gone and done it. Now there will be an avalanche of guys selling all their hones and just keeping one or two to do everything.

    You're gonna drive guys crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    Oh-Oh Lynn now you've gone and done it. Now there will be an avalanche of guys selling all their hones and just keeping one or two to do everything.

    You're gonna drive guys crazy.
    I still pretty much use my synthetics for day to day because they are so reliable and consistent. I do use my Escher alot for finishing, but this exercise was a lot of fun............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    I still pretty much use my synthetics for day to day because they are so reliable and consistent. I do use my Escher alot for finishing, but this exercise was a lot of fun............

    HUGE +1... This was fun, and it does work, but the 70% consistency is to low for me also...
    I get near 100% hits, when using all Synthetics, or a Synthetic run to 8k then a Natural finisher...
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    It's good to see SpongeBob again. Thanks for sharing your experiences, guys. It's always fun to have something new to play with.

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    Well "at this point in time" I think the stage has been set for
    one hone edge refresh and maintainability.

    Regarding Glenn's videos...
    I like the variety of strokes that Glenn uses as he
    progresses through the process. I also like Glenn's
    use of tape. His consistent use of tape makes a lot of
    sense with this method.

    And yes it works... months before I read this thread I
    found I could use these same tricks. I think Glenn and Lynn
    have been dropping hints for a long time....

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    I have been doing same routine with Mejiro nagura and a tomonagura on one stone right after the 1k chosera, it works just great for me. I always start with thick slurry , refresh with madium slurry and then dilute until I finish on water only. Main stroke is circles with a few x-strokes right before the next slurry phase or dilution.

    I too find that the best consistency comes from synthetics also, for me at least, honing on synthetics is faster. I like the nagura method because it is great fun, it some how allows me to feel the natural stone and the honing effect, and the results majority of the times are great.
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    This is awesome! I love all these ideas, its so great to have these things to play with. I pretty much stick with synthetics up to 8k and then go to a natural finisher, but this is something I'm going to have to experiment with!


    Thanks Glen and Lynn for the excellent write ups and videos!

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