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    Default Using a microscope to define an burr and the edge

    I did a short honing study using a microscope for practice with the scope. The power is about 150x including the camera. The blade is a Yasuki steel kamisori and the majority of the honing was done on the omote side. Some of the final strokes were on the back of the blade on the ura side.
    HERE ARE THE PHOTOS as a slide show posted on youtube. alx

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    at first thank you for the video Very nice one.
    what happen at 2.18?
    your edge seems like start to broke down?
    by your count you have made more then 750 strokes .
    Don't You think this is a little too many strokes or you have used only 1 stone honing?
    thank you.

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    Thank you for the information, I know it took some time. Very informative. I've been afraid of the 30K for two reasons: price and simply too fine of an edge.

    It would be nice to see the edge after a shave.
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    Very nice effort you put into this. How did it shave when you were done?

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    Very cool! Thanks for taking the time to do that and share

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    Quote Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl View Post
    what happen at 2.18?
    your edge seems like start to broke down?
    It does certainly appear so to me too.

    Maybe this happens to all of us, to varying degrees, in the honing process. It seems logical. The more metal taken off on each side, the thinner the bevel becomes at it's most extreme edge. The odd piece is bound to break off.... and not always in a uniform manner. The end result still looks great.

    Nice work.
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    Sham, the "edge breakdown" you mention is apparently the burr being taken off, from what is written in the photo captions.

    But I myself can't see the burr forming until that point...

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    Thank for the question about time line at 2:18.
    I think what has really happened are 2 events. One is that because I taped the spine at 1:45 at that stage all of the honing was focused on the edge and a new micro bevel was beginning to take shape. And secondly a few frames after that I began to hone on the back of the blade in alternate sequences.


    So in actuality what we are seeing is the creation of a new bevel, its birth and refinement including the polishing and edge delineation.
    I should apologize because this was not at all planned out ahead of time or very well, and my sequences just came to me on a whim. Seven or eight hundred strokes is probably 6-7 hundred too many. For example, the first photo #64 established a scratched out bevel well enough, the next 30 strokes up to photo #67 were redundent.


    After this point and up until the marker 1:45 it was all about polishing the bevel with clear water and lighter strokes using in total about 700 strokes. If I had known that I was going to introduce a micro bevel later on, I could have skipped all of these earlier strokes on the primary bevel and just done the polishing on the micro bevel and I could have forgone 690 strokes right there.


    The two photos jumped out at me, #98 because of the dramatic nature of the burr precariously holding out, & #104 where the edge cleans up by stropping on my palm.


    It will try to restructure and compact this whole trial into less than 100 strokes total (a nice short duration similar to a kitchen sink edge refreshment session) shouldn't be a problem to do that, by setting the scratch pattern on the primary bevel, taping to a micro bevel and honing with clear water on both sides right away. I will also copy the same preceedure without tape and see where that gets me in the same number of strokes. Any suggestions would be appreciated. alx
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    thank you for explanation.

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    Very interesting! Thanks for posting this it was valuable to me.

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