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    Default Thoughts On Badger vs. Boar

    I want to start by saying that I don't have a preference here. I have an EJ Pure Badger brush that I love, and an Omega Boar brush that I also love. I haven't tried anything higher end than that, but I am thinking there may be a Rooney or Shavemac in my future.

    But my real issue here is: We (primarily) use Badger brushes, in theory because of their water retention capabilities, right? It definitely seems to me that my badger holds more water than my boar. But if this is really the case, and badger retains water so much better than boar, why do boar brushes take so long to dry in comparison? I feel like I can nearly dry my badger brush just by flicking it out, but no matter how much I try to dry the boar, it still takes hours.

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    This is a good question! There are some great posts on this by a Gent named Zach on TSD.

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    After trying a nice boar brush recently and liking it a lot, I read that they actually soak up water into the hairs (bristles?), while badger brushes don't, instead holding water between the hairs. Thus the longer drying time, etc. - even if the structure of the badger hairs end up holding more water.

    To be perfectly honest, though, water retention never meant a whole lot to me, because I have to shake water out of both types before making lather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPflaumer View Post
    I want to start by saying that I don't have a preference here. I have an EJ Pure Badger brush that I love, and an Omega Boar brush that I also love. I haven't tried anything higher end than that, but I am thinking there may be a Rooney or Shavemac in my future.

    But my real issue here is: We (primarily) use Badger brushes, in theory because of their water retention capabilities, right? It definitely seems to me that my badger holds more water than my boar. But if this is really the case, and badger retains water so much better than boar, why do boar brushes take so long to dry in comparison? I feel like I can nearly dry my badger brush just by flicking it out, but no matter how much I try to dry the boar, it still takes hours.

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    This will help explain things way better than i could.

    http://www.shavemyface.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35880
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    Quote Originally Posted by northpaw View Post
    To be perfectly honest, though, water retention never meant a whole lot to me, because I have to shake water out of both types before making lather.
    This is a good point as I have experienced the same thing. I wonder if it really does matter O.O

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    I always felt that the "superior water retention" of badgers worked against them, as you really do have to get most of that out before you make lather. The boar just needs a shake and it's ready to go. It actually was a much shorter learning curve to get fgood lather with the boar, because the badgers needed so much more tweaking with regards to water levels...the boars almost tweaked themselves.

    Granted, I'm a real boar fan--I have three boar brushes (two of them customs) that I use in rotation, and two badger brushes that I DON'T use...and I'm planning on getting a couple more boars (I caught the Semogue bug...) because boars are, to me, much more comfortable and more intuitive than badger. And, let's not forget, they're freaking cheap, even for the best of them!

    I understand the luxury appeal of badgers, and a nice soft silvertip can feel nice on the face, but for me, I like to FEEL my lathering--the boars add some massage to the experience, and a quality boar is not NEARLY as scratchy and unpleasant as some of the "best badgers" I've used (Duke 3, I'm looking at you). Badgers also, to me, are beautiful--they look FANTASTIC, I will readily admit that. But for practical purposes, give me an ugly old boar any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimR View Post
    I always felt that the "superior water retention" of badgers worked against them, as you really do have to get most of that out before you make lather. The boar just needs a shake and it's ready to go. It actually was a much shorter learning curve to get fgood lather with the boar, because the badgers needed so much more tweaking with regards to water levels...the boars almost tweaked themselves.

    Granted, I'm a real boar fan--I have three boar brushes (two of them customs) that I use in rotation, and two badger brushes that I DON'T use...and I'm planning on getting a couple more boars (I caught the Semogue bug...) because boars are, to me, much more comfortable and more intuitive than badger. And, let's not forget, they're freaking cheap, even for the best of them!

    I understand the luxury appeal of badgers, and a nice soft silvertip can feel nice on the face, but for me, I like to FEEL my lathering--the boars add some massage to the experience, and a quality boar is not NEARLY as scratchy and unpleasant as some of the "best badgers" I've used (Duke 3, I'm looking at you). Badgers also, to me, are beautiful--they look FANTASTIC, I will readily admit that. But for practical purposes, give me an ugly old boar any day.
    Since I ditched disposables over a year ago, I've bought 5 different badger brushes. The other week I sold the last of them. I've kept my Omega boar brushes and newish Semogue because none of the badgers could come close to a decent boar brush with Mitchell's Wool Fat, and the boar brushes are quite good with creams as well.

    Finally, as others have noted, the boar bristles develop split ends and thus they end up (at least my Omega boars end up) being very soft on the face while keeping a good backbone.

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    I haven't used my badger brush yet, but I love my boar. I seriously can't imagine a better lather.

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    I know what you guys mean. The water retention thing is a stupid argument, because you have to shake the water out of both anyway. And while I won't say that my boar is softer than my badger (it is new after all, and they take time to break in), I will say that it is easily the equal of.

    The other issue I have is that the boar brush doesn't really fit in the stand that I have my badger in. The boar hair just doesn't compress as much. Solutions?

    Jim, where does one find/order a custom boar brush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPflaumer View Post
    I know what you guys mean. The water retention thing is a stupid argument, because you have to shake the water out of both anyway. And while I won't say that my boar is softer than my badger (it is new after all, and they take time to break in), I will say that it is easily the equal of.

    The other issue I have is that the boar brush doesn't really fit in the stand that I have my badger in. The boar hair just doesn't compress as much. Solutions?

    Jim, where does one find/order a custom boar brush?
    What I did was pry the knot out of some Omega pro brushes, then have someone with mad skillz set them in custom handles.

    One is by our own Del1r1um, and one by Rodd, who is on TSD.

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