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    There are no framebacks pictured in this thread so far. So, what you were calling a frameback is in fact not one. If you are curious about framebacks, that's good! They are beautiful razors to collect shave with. There are several threads devoted to framebacks and the sometimes confusing terminology around them. Here's a couple...
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    I'm hoping we see a John Bagshaw frameback from somebody soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDMAN1 View Post
    What do you mean?
    This is a "frameback" razor....in many instances, the blade was interchangeable, many come with the "frame", and 2, 3, or 7 blades that can changed on a daily basis for a fresh edge.

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    Like this one....

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    Dang that's a beauty Phrank. That certainly is a frameback....or faux frameback, and then some!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrank View Post
    This is a "frameback" razor....in many instances, the blade was interchangeable, many come with the "frame", and 2, 3, or 7 blades that can changed on a daily basis for a fresh edge.

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    Good examples, Phrank!

    I call your 1st example a 'Faux Frameback' and the 2nd a 'Frameback', whether the blade is permanent or not. Just me.
    Both are 2-piece razors.

    I just think that to be called a frameback, the thin blade must be 'framed' by the spine and tang.

    Anyhoo, anything one-piece should not be thought of as a frameback?

    An exaggerated spine does not a frameback make.

    This was explained (rather authoritatively ) to me by Manah years ago.

    It made good sense to me and I just refer to them in that manner.

    Whatever. I shall NOW post a John Bagshaw Faux-Frameback razor!

















    NOT!
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    I see where you're going with that Tom, as the blade is in fact "fixed" and the spine component is attached, whereas the other is a separate frame where blades can be interchanged.

    The frameback "nomenclature" linked above by xiaotuzi defines them as follows:

    "There are 2 types of framebacks that are essentially quite different but still have the same name.
    1st type is the frameback having a tang that is part of the frame and a blade that is slid into the frame and tang entity.
    2nd type is the frameback with a blade and tang in one piece having a frame slid on the spine of the blade."

    I am assuming the Rodgers would be a the 2nd type and the LeC the 1st type...if in fact those definitions in the linked thread are correct.

    Wonder if there was a process where it was considered beneficial to create a flat blade like the Rodgers with that big belly on the tan (), do the grinding and styling etc., and then simply slide the spine component on top to allow for proper honing etc.,...

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    Lots have insinuated that the type I refer to as a 'faux' was super-cheap to make.
    Rolled-hardened steel with a soft 'tube' spine attached.
    Notsomuch a 'frame'?

    However, lots of this type exhibit hollow grinding to some degree which was done before the 'spine' was slid-on. Not simply a flat piece!

    Obviously, some were highly decorated.

    My personal gripe with them is they are too light. They must be silly sharp to work for me and my wire beard.

    The other type, which I refer to as a frameback, seems to have ample weight for my preferences most of the time.
    In studying those, the grinds are usually concave on the lower, blade portion as well.
    They were ground longitudinally quite often, but the stone was rounded and produced slight concavity as-applied.
    JMO.
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    I have a TI frameback similar to the Le Coultre Phrank posted. It does feel different than my other razors and took a couple of shaves to get used to. I liked it very much once I got the feel for it. The Wostenholm frameback with the brass frame is one I'd like to try.

    The Bagshaw really is a nice looking razor. What grind is it again?
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    Tuzi's in the OP would come under a smiling, hollow-ground wedge.

    The second example I would describe as a rattler with lots of weight above the spine.

    Correct me!

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    What's a rattler? I've seen that etched on some blades. So the black Bagshaw has a square spine with a blade put in the middle, so as to appear as a frameback? What is this type of blade called? Can we have a profile of the razor from the front? Thanks.

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    It's all there somewhere? Go back and read. Check the links....
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