Thread: the apple with a little bite out of it ...

Originally Posted by Mudkipz

They're great machines,but the sad truth is that everything runs on windows. If someone fixes that and stops me from having to buy half a dozen macs that are only suited to one specific task...I'll gladly stop feeding the evil empire that is Microsoft.

I'm genuinely confused.

If you like the hardware but not the software, the microsoft OSs are easily usable "natively" with newer macs. Thanks to the Intel chips for that.

Also, "half a dozen macs" ???

Buy a MacBook Pro and do whatever you need to, wherever you need to.

IF you like the hardware and need the functionality.

To be honest, I grew up on Apple products (I just turned 25). My aunt was a schoolteacher DINK. She loved computers and got a new one every year and a half or so. She gave us her "old" one. So I always had a newish Apple.

The late nineties were a dark time. I don't want to talk about it....I almost switched.

However, these days(for me) there's no sense in not buying an Apple product, as long as you will be using the majority of its features.

Mudkipz, feel free to elaborate moar for great justice.

Originally Posted by slipangle

To be honest, I grew up on Apple products (I just turned 25). My aunt was a schoolteacher DINK. She loved computers and got a new one every year and a half or so. She gave us her "old" one. So I always had a newish Apple.

Ah well, most people would be happily using Macs if they were provided for free. Bottom line is, Macs have always been more expensive than PCs for equivalently powerful hardware. Probably still are, and always will be.

And they are often guilty of style over substance. I will mention the chiclet keyboards and leave it at that.

I'll try a Mac one day, been promising myself for around 20 years! But not just yet.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Bottom line is, Macs have always been more expensive than PCs for equivalently powerful hardware. Probably still are, and always will be.

Yep, unfortunately, hardware is only half the story. Too many people buy computers with the 'best' spec and think nothing of the quality of the machine they're buying or how efficiently it is used by the software using it.

Sure they might be more expensive in terms of numbers, but value for money? I personally think apple take the torch for that one.

Me and a mate bought an eMac about 3 years ago off ebay, and old one, just to see. It kicked the ass out of my PC, and his, and they were good spec machines. He got his iMac about 6 months later and I got mine a year after that.

Just save a little, in 5 years time it will still be running like clock work and the equivalent PC will be in bits somewhere. They just don't slow down like PCs. Or just buy a mac mini, they are cheap.

Originally Posted by Mudkipz

They're great machines,but the sad truth is that everything runs on windows. If someone fixes that and stops me from having to buy half a dozen macs that are only suited to one specific task...I'll gladly stop feeding the evil empire that is Microsoft.

Add one more who really can't make heads or tails of this comment.

A mac is no more a one-task machine than a PC. You can buy a lower end PC, a high power gaming/graphic design PC, high power laptop, bargain laptop, ultra portable laptop.

With mac, all the same options are there. The only thing you can't do is build a custom mac. Well, you can "sort of" customize them now that they are all intel x86-64 architecture, but only sort of.

As far as everything running on windows, yeah, that's true. But, "almost" everything runs on mac and linux as well. (OSX and Linux are close cousins)

I run linux on my desktop, my girlfriend runs linux on the desktop and OSX on her macbook pro. There are very few things that can't be run on these systems, and unless a person is a gamer, a few things that are much easier than on a PC, and there's pretty much nothing that they can't do.

I love how this Mac criticism is coming from people who've never used them.

Originally Posted by xman

I love how this Mac criticism is coming from people who've never used them.

You get the same thing with linux. People who have either never used it at all, used it once a couple years ago, or installed it but gave up before they had a chance to see what it was like, who will bash it endlessly.


Actually, to be fair, I've seen mac and linux users who rarely or never use windows, or haven't used windows in 10 years, bashing XP, Vista, Win7. Guess that's just the nature of the beast.

most criticisms against mac are from people who haven't tried them. oh well, what can you do. ha

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Ah well, most people would be happily using Macs if they were provided for free.

Absolutely. However, that time is over. My last few computers have been self-purchased and are, as always, macs.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Bottom line is, Macs have always been more expensive than PCs for equivalently powerful hardware. Probably still are, and always will be.

Even though I've been a mac guy for a long time, I was of the same opinion. Then I ran into a couple of articles which, to paraphrase, compared price, functionality, and packaged functionality and demonstrated that for the functionality, macs are a bargain. However to be a bargain, you must use a large portion of the functions included.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

And they are often guilty of style over substance. I will mention the chiclet keyboards and leave it at that.

The only "style over substance" issue I have seen with macs were the hockey puck mice that were included with them. Those got replaced fast with me. I have no complaints about any of the keyboards I've used.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

I'll try a Mac one day, been promising myself for around 20 years! But not just yet.

Depending on where you live, there may be a nearby Apple store. Try the stuff in person. You'll probably approve.

i have a white 13" macbook
and i personally prefer the mac keyboard over PC keyboards
and with the great functionality of keyboard shortcuts with OS X along with quicksilver, i rarely use the trackpad, everything is at my finger tips so to say.
i use adium for messaging and i've set it up so i can use quicksilver to send out IM's. Using growl, adium, and quicksilver, i can now send and read IM's easily while watching a movie or so, without having to switch focus to adium. handy little set up

Originally Posted by xman

I love how this Mac criticism is coming from people who've never used them.

"Never owned them" is different to "never used them."