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    I realize it is a matter of preference, blade metal, stone and technique to name some variables but I interested in hearing from those who have used both what and why they prefer one over another. I own both. Let's keep the discussion on just the two types of stones.
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    Back around '07, '08, the only ]-nat I would see talked about on SRP was the nakayama asagi. A year or two later there were a whole lot more, but at that time that was the one most well known. I had been fooling with eschers and needless to say I liked the results I was getting. I didn't go into the j-nat field because it seemed too obscure to me at that time.

    A friend bought a nakayama asagi at what was about half the price of an escher at that time. Because of changing circumstances in the family business he had to devote all of his time to the biz, and could no longer pursue honing as he once had. So he offered me the stone for what he paid for it. I knew that the source he got it from was to be trusted so I went for it out of curiosity.

    I found it to be as good as, maybe even better than the eschers I had at that time. I sold it to a guy in Austria who loved it. The thing was, I was really into the eschers, and I didn't want to get into that slippery slope of another genre of stones, even if it was as good or better. FWIW, that is the only experience I've had with the j-nat as opposed to an escher.
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    I much prefer jnats. I feel they provide both a keener and smoother edge. Not to say the escher edges aren't really good, just not as good. I've got them all, asagi, mizu asagi, kiita, suita, iromono etc and I love them all.

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    Seems a recap of another thread?

    In regards to Jimmy's post.
    About the same here. Pretty much exactly.


    You have to run with the J-Nat thing.

    It's a natural thing, don't you know!

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    Jnat, hands down. An Escher is pretty much a finisher, but a good Jnat will handle all your honing needs (except restoration/heavy bevel setting) plus give you a superior edge in my experience. Add a 1k for bevel setting and you're set for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkatzman View Post
    I realize it is a matter of preference, blade metal, stone and technique to name some variables but I interested in hearing from those who have used both what and why they prefer one over another. I own both. Let's keep the discussion on just the two types of stones.

    You answered it yourself..


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    Same for me. I find both stones give me great edges, but they need to be used completely differently. Thuringians (Eschers) need to be used for final finishing only, as they don't really have any ability to remove much steel. So I hone on synthetics up to at least 8k and usually more like 12k before using one of my Escher stones.

    JNats can do a little more heavy lifting if they are used with a "diamond nagura" slurry, and one can even follow a 1k bevel setter with it. I still prefer final finishing on a JNat using tomonagura slurry though. I often do a progression of 1k to 1-2 "diamond nagura" slurries to 2-3 consecutive tomo slurries. If you want to use just the tomo slurry alone it's better to take the edge up to at least 8k synthetic first.
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    I love everything about jnats.

    Once I had a pro honed Escher finish from Hart Steel.
    It was butter knife smooth . I was impressed although it's didn't last as long as I would have thought.
    I can achieve that and better on my jnat.

    Escher stones are a bit slim too. Saying that I wouldn't mind one
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    Jnats aremore universal stones - you can pass the midle grits on the progretion with a Jnat
    Thuringians are what the nature make them - a finisher , and a deam good one .
    Thuris leave this comfort feeling of the ultra fine serated edge and mre buttery smooth The Jnats leave that cold brutal sharpness , sharpand crispy , to perfection Well you can get 3 diferent kind of edjes from Jnat and from Esher , but they are both top of the food chain No doubth abbout it .
    I have both TDhuris and Jnats and i suppose to be the biggest thuri fan so i will put them in almost equal position .
    Jnats are better and practical as you can briefly manipulate the grit rate , steel remouval and finish from the stone , i a very wide range .
    They are both very good stones - i dont gave my thuries , just because i have good Jnats , no Sir
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    I also started late to get into the Jnat theme. My thuringians give me all what I expect from an endfinished razor. And like Jimmy said the Jnats are very complex, it take a lot of time, efforts and money to get into the theme and really know what your are doing.
    Meanwhile I have quite a lot of japanese stones, mostly ancient Nakayamas (kiita, asagi, tamagoiro, etc), Kuro renge and so on. And I really like the Jants in my progression because most of them are very fast and very fine. But from all of these stones I don't really like the edge they take as an endfinisher. Mostly for my taste the edge is too keen and crispy. So what I do is to hone razors on the Jnats to maximum keenness and then do the last strokes on a good thuringian to "smooth out" the razor edge. Or I use a thuringian slurry stone as the last "nagura" on the Jnats. For me that will give really perfect edges, whatever razor I will use.

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