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    I was considering buying a coti and am not sure about the grades select and standard. is there a difference between quality of a new one from Ardennes coticule or a vintage one as far as the edge it can provide once I learn the stone? Thank you for your help.
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    As far as honing and the final edge, no difference. But being a natural stone, there is variance between stones.

    Select and standard grade is based on looks. A select grade coticule will be free of "blemishes" or in clusions. I have not come across any inclusions that ever affect the edge.

    I like Ardennes quite a bit. I have purchased 2 from them directly and 1 indirectly. All give fine edges, as do most of my vintages. Although the edge is a bit better with my modern ones, I specifically state in the comments/howw will yoiu use the stone; "stone will be used as a finishing stone for straight razors." How much of a difference that makes, I'm not too sure.

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    For my skin a coticule edge is pure bliss. I currently have more than 10 vintage and 1 "new" and they vary. There is only one in the lot that I can't (yet) get a great edge from.

    I think a safe bet for a first one is contact Ardennes and tell them the size and you want it for finishing straight razors, and please something that give smooth feedback while honing.

    The reason I ask for one with smooth feedback is they have one (I think it's Les Petas) and it gives weird, bumpy rumbling feedback. Maybe it gives a good edge but not a great first coti IMHO.
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    A select grade 8 x 3 coticule will cost over $400 USD from known retailers. I have owned and sold two of them. My skills may not have been up to the task, but I have managed to get great results from my Synthetics and jnats, so for the money you will pay for a top of the line coticule, I'd buy a Jnat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiaotuzi View Post
    For my skin a coticule edge is pure bliss. I currently have more than 10 vintage and 1 "new" and they vary. There is only one in the lot that I can't (yet) get a great edge from.

    I think a safe bet for a first one is contact Ardennes and tell them the size and you want it for finishing straight razors, and please something that give smooth feedback while honing.

    The reason I ask for one with smooth feedback is they have one (I think it's Les Petas) and it gives weird, bumpy rumbling feedback. Maybe it gives a good edge but not a great first coti IMHO.
    Ah, yes. Pretty sure it is las petas. They're a little more green
    colored, but to produce comfortable edges (or so I am told). But I agree with Tuzi to add the feedback request.

    I forgot to mention, I have a "Select Plus" La Veinette and it is superb. If they have any left, it was the easiest stone to work with, but YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnermint View Post
    As far as honing and the final edge, no difference. But being a natural stone, there is variance between stones.

    Select and standard grade is based on looks. A select grade coticule will be free of "blemishes" or in clusions. I have not come across any inclusions that ever affect the edge.

    I like Ardennes quite a bit. I have purchased 2 from them directly and 1 indirectly. All give fine edges, as do most of my vintages. Although the edge is a bit better with my modern ones, I specifically state in the comments/howw will yoiu use the stone; "stone will be used as a finishing stone for straight razors." How much of a difference that makes, I'm not too sure.
    I was wondering why that was asked. That may make tha difference.

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    They have standard grade 150x50mm (~6x2inch) for $104 and this is a fine size, like the same size as an Escher Barber's Delight. Standard grade is all you need, as dinnermint mentioned it's just about cosmetics and no difference in performance.
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    I did go to Ardennes website earlier today and seen the 6x2 and thought that would be the size that I would go with. For this purchase I planned on staying off eBay due to you never know what you might get from there. I've have had a few problems on razors there. And a few really good finds.
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    Yea, the current offerings on ebay are kinda iffy. Too small for honing (for me), over priced or look like off cuts from edges of layers.

    2x6 is a good size to start out on. I would avoid bouts for now, rectangles are easier to transition to IMHO.
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    I was planning on going with the rectangles instead of the bouts, because that's what I'm used to already. Plus through Ardennes they give a free slurry stone. I was kinda leary of the 8x3 that's in an Ardennes box says it's new but it just seemed to be too cheap at $99 to trust.
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