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    When I first started, yes, I bought the Norton 4K/8k. Largely that's what the YouTube video guys tell beginners to get. Fair enough. It is an inexpensive beginners hone. My first purchase was the Norton and 2 Gold Dollars. As i watched more videos and did more serious research I settled on the Shapton Glass series. But here's something else I've learned along the way: so much of this hobby is subjective. As long as you buy quality tools you should be fine. We've all read where some guys still only use the Norton because it works. I've still got my Norton, but rarely (never) use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal View Post
    Thoughts? It's an awful lot of money to throw down on hones just because you don't like the tactile feed back of one. If you're already finishing on a Naniwa 12K nothing would really change as far as the final result goes. But if you already know you're gonna end up with a set of Naniwas, I'd pick up the 3K now, a 5K when I had the funds, and then round it out with an 8K later down the line.

    If all you hone is straight razors, I don't think you'll get better stones than Naniwas. If you hone tools too and you're heavy handed like me, then I'd say Shapton is probably the better route to take.
    I can't say that I disagree, all of this is pretty hypothetical at the moment. If I decide to stick with the Norton then I'll probably pick up a 2k, either Naniwa or Shapton, sooner rather than later. I guess the thing that sticks in my mind is that when I decide to invest some more money in hones I want to have a plan and picking everyone's brains lets me mull things over in the meantime.

    As far as other honing goes I stick to maintenance honing on knives and I've got a set of Chinese PHIGs lying around for that. None of those blades are expensive or fancy and while I've occasionally shown a tendency for being heavy handed in the past what I'm learning when it comes to honing razors is putting a check on that type of behavior.
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    Same here, I've definitely learned to be lighter with knives and razors. But there's still a switch in the back of my brain that says 'press harder!' when there's a chisel in my hand. So I just know with a soft hone like Nortons or Naniwa I'd gouge it. But my Shapton Kuromaku (Pro) stones did fine, no scratches no gouges. I imagine Glass stones would be similarly resilient.

    Then again, I have an Arkansas stone series for just that. Which is probably why I never fully broke the habit, pressure is a necessary evil until the finishing phase with those.

    But I figure if you pick up the 3K first you can go ahead and sideline the hone you dislike. Then assess if you need/want a 5K to go between that and the 8K later, but 3K to 8K is very do able. And round it off with an 8K when the mood strikes. Or just go straight to the 12K. I use the 1/2/5/12 progression with Kuromaku stones, I imagine going from 5K to 12k would work with Naniwa hones as well.

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    Update! I received the Shapton pro 2k, I really like this stone! Fast and halfway between hard and soft feedback. I do believe it helped bridge the gap between the 1k and 5k nicely. Like many have said here I don't think the end result felt any different but in the end it did make the honing more enjoyable for me.

    Also I did receive the King 8k nagura I have yet to try it, I will report back when I do. I am hoping tonight!!!
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    I have both sets and I prefer the Naniwa. I found that honing under running water really gives great results. When the blade starts to feel like it is sticking to the stone, your done.
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    I prefer the Naniwa's over the Shapton. I get much better results. I am sure there are others that will prefer the Shapton's. I find the total results better with the Naniwa's and I like the feel of the blade on the stones. Really what gives you the best results. I go from my 12k Naniwa to my Escher for 5-7 laps under water then to my Mastro Live Loom strop. I find this combination to really give me the best results.
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    I have both Shapton and Naniwa hones. They are both excellent.

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