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    Have another thread going about my yellow/green stone we'll say. I'm curious as to why it is important to have the label? I mean it's a rock, it's not man made. I can see it with name brand man-made things. There is another thread that just started about "fake hones, how common are they".I'd lose my mind if I paid x amount for a piece of paper, only to be duped because scammers have realized they can make a quick buck. To me it seem they lost out on hard earned money because someone decided the label is the cool thing. Just curious as to people's thoughts/reasons on this.


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    Well its a normal collectors thing, and nothing special in the end.....why are vintage cars much more expensive if they have original Parts.....

    The paper label is a documentation of its origin and stands for a very good Quality....Escher already did a good job promoting the stones in the old days the business started and the Name today still stands for a Premium Quality, thats why people pay for it.....
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    Supposedly the labeled Escher's were hand selected for quality so the labeled ones were possible more consistent
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    I can see the collector point of view. I barber hones that suck but are a barber hone.

    The car reference doesn't make sense to me. Yes a classic car is worth more with original parts because it's all original. They are man made though.

    It has been stated that Escher just bought the stones and put a label on it. Was there an inspector of some sort, testing for quality? Or is it just smart marketing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rodb View Post
    Supposedly the labeled Escher's were hand selected for quality so the labeled ones were possible more consistent
    Now this I can dig and get behind. Thank you!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BWH1980 View Post
    The car reference doesn't make sense to me. Yes a classic car is worth more with original parts because it's all original. They are man made though.
    Well it makes sense and that a lot...its the same like asking what an Label or sign of Origin is relevant for....would you pay a lot of money if on a Rolex watch the word "Rolex" wouldnt be stamped in....in the end it would only be a watch....its the same with an Escher...if there would be no label on it, its what it is just a stone and no "Escher"

    Its irrelevant if its men made or natural made and then brought to market....a Trademark on a Product which is known for Quality will always make a better price then a product without any reference....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWH1980 View Post
    It has been stated that Escher just bought the stones and put a label on it. Was there an inspector of some sort, testing for quality? Or is it just smart marketing?
    Cant tell for Escher itself, but doing a lot of research i can tell you that Quastenberg himself who had a direct connection to the family...Severin Robert Droescher and also delegates from Pike Manufacturing regularly visited the Quarries and it seems they also had to choose the quality of the future stock they wanted to bring into the market...those visits are documented...i cant tell what in detail they did visiting the Quarries....They also did it with the old Belgian Quarries....

    These Visits were also marketed in some papers as an advertisement...that the stones which will be sold soo in Furure were hand selected and this was proven or controlled with a personal visit of a delegate of those companies...
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    When I first began fooling with Eschers in 2007 they were relatively scarce. An average price was $500.00. When people were selling unlabeled stones claiming them to be Eschers I couldn't be sure, so i made it a rule to always buy labeled stones. Even now I frequently see 'Escher ?' on ebay. I like to know what I'm buying, especially when paying a premium.

    The prices of Eschers ebb and flow. I've seen them high, medium, and low. I was fortunate in that I sold mine when they were either high, or very high. Nowadays they are low, relative to the highs. Will they stay low ? Remains to be seen. I've got one left that I use and fortunately got it 'right' in a trade.

    Label or no label, if it is a good hone that is all that matters.
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    It's all about the Provenance - if it doesn't have the label, it could be any quality of Thuri, if even it turns out to be a Thuri.

    As mentioned, Escher's were hand-picked stones, that meant a certain quality, and mined at a certain time.

    I see way too many stones on eBay marked Escher, and they're nothing of the sort, they may be Thuri's, but without the label they are not Eschers.

    Even stones in an Escher box, if there is no label on the stone, then all I know I'm buying is an Escher box....Provenance is everything, and you deserve to get what you paid for.
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    Thank you gentleman. I have a bit of a better understanding now as to labels. For collectors it makes sense, even from a honers standpoint it would make sense. If they hand selected for quality. So from the standpoint of they selected for quality, do the private label Escher command a higher price? Or is it just the Escher label?


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