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    I may have been exaggerating when I said 300 strokes on an Escher will do the same thing as a barber's hone but it depends on the color of the Escher and the barber's hones we're mentioning as well. The Dark blue Escher I once had was extremely slow and took a lot of slurried strokes (70 or more) to do what my YG would do in 20 strokes.
    I only use my Eschers as an absolute finish polisher in my honing progression, sometimes after the 8K, Coticule, Jnat Oozuku Asagi combination that I've been using for a few months now. Coticules, to me, aren't fine enough to finish a razor alone but I like how they progress and lean my razors into my natural finishing progression which is why I use them. Some people may say that's nonsense...
    When I use the Y/G Escher as a final polishing stone, I use about 40 strokes with slurry, I never really make less than that. I know for a lot of people I am someone that "uber finishes" their razors and that can be considered a waste of time, which is fine but I find I like the edges better when I progress through multiple finishing hones at the end of my Synthetic honing. The same thing can be said on how I recommend to use a barber's hone first to touch up the edge and then smooth it out on the Escher with slurry. I just think it's faster to use a barber's hone first and less prone to wearing the Escher stone that cost you $700.00 that is also a collectors item. It's true these stones were sold for a few dollars when they first came out and were intended to be used until gone but things change that mindset when there is a lot of money involved and as things become antique and collectible through popularity. I also doubt the creator of these hones knew they'd be used in a Naniwa 1K, Norton 4/8K, coticule, Jnat, Escher finish progression for a razor either...


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    20 laps on the Y/G Escher without slurry is all it takes to get a pulling razor back in business. Unless you are a professional honer you'll never wear your Escher out unless you tend to use a very thick slurry and wash it off after every razor you touched up. Besides. what's the point of sparing an Escher? It will survive you, your son and grandson.

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    Exactly. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WEAR THE ESCHER WITH 'NORMAL' USE!

    Another point I thought I'd mention - the HHT means very little, but do any of you find that it is harder to pass such test using an Escher, particularly with slurry? An 8K will pass it, a Charnley or coti usually does, but surprisingly not often with an Escher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scipio View Post
    Exactly. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WEAR THE ESCHER WITH 'NORMAL' USE!

    Another point I thought I'd mention - the HHT means very little, but do any of you find that it is harder to pass such test using an Escher, particularly with slurry? An 8K will pass it, a Charnley or coti usually does, but surprisingly not often with an Escher.
    i found just that hht of escher reduced, if i went back to coti/water it improved.

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    I remain curious.

    I assume some, if not most, of you guys are using one piece of tape when doing your honing on the 1-3-8 hones and you probably keep the tape on when you go to your finisher.

    Now my question…..when you later return to the finisher for a touch-up, in my case it would be a dark Escher, can I give it 20 or 30 laps without tape….or do I have to add tape for only the touch-up?

    After all, I never strop with tape.

    Thanks for your insights.

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    If you use tape to hone then you need to use tape to hone, finish, touch up, etc. Even if you got to a pasted surface for polishing you should keep the tape on. Only remove the tape for normal linen and leather stropping.

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    ANY time you revisit the stones you will need tape unless you reset the bevel without tape.
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