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    https://youtu.be/J_LWg5XFX8s

    3 layers of tape I have already tried 2 pieces

    4k grit Shapton glass

    Bevel at 4k barely pops hair unlike all my other razors at 4k

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    Here is what I saw. The water slips up on to the blade easily and cleans nicely behind the razor. It looks like a nice amount of pressure. Your strokes are a little on the straight up and down and not so much on the 'X', not that you strokes would have much to do with this issue, just something you could work towards. I hope Glen chimes in. He has taught a lot of people to hone. Me included . He will likely see more in the video than I will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RezDog View Post
    Here is what I saw. The water slips up on to the blade easily and cleans nicely behind the razor. It looks like a nice amount of pressure. Your strokes are a little on the straight up and down and not so much on the 'X', not that you strokes would have much to do with this issue, just something you could work towards. I hope Glen chimes in. He has taught a lot of people to hone. Me included . He will likely see more in the video than I will.
    I was using that stroke to show the water sliding up the blade. I do a pretty true X stroke when off camera lol! Thank you
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    Only you can answer the question of if the edge is getting any better,,

    I am also making the assumption that this razor shaved in the past

    Trying the Magic Marker Test (MMT) will also show you any flaws in the stroke or the edge profile

    Your stroke seems smooth and even and you have already explained that you move more in an X when off camera

    The only other suggestion is use a slightly more heel forward angle of attack and slide across the hone at the same time as you are pushing ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    Only you can answer the question of if the edge is getting any better,,

    I am also making the assumption that this razor shaved in the past

    Trying the Magic Marker Test (MMT) will also show you any flaws in the stroke or the edge profile

    Your stroke seems smooth and even and you have already explained that you move more in an X when off camera

    The only other suggestion is use a slightly more heel forward angle of attack and slide across the hone at the same time as you are pushing ...
    The edge has turned out much keener than before, however the shave test will be the real test. Do some razors max out, meaning the razors steel and geometry will only provide a max level of keenness and smoothness? I realize that is a very out there question but sometimes chancing the unicorn can be unrealistic and a waste of time!

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    Yes actually all razors max out,,,

    But that Hart should be a smooth clean shaver once you figure out it's combination it is all about reaching that particular razor's best potential
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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    Yes actually all razors max out,,,

    But that Hart should be a smooth clean shaver once you figure out it's combination it is all about reaching that particular razor's best potential
    Got it! That is solid info to write down. I will post when I shave with it
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    I have butchered many a Hart.
    I have one that doesn't want to bevel set....you can be at it for time..

    The answer for me is to keep refreshing the 1k and adding clean slurry..

    Personally no matter what I don't like to use pressure
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOB15 View Post
    I have butchered many a Hart.
    I have one that doesn't want to bevel set....you can be at it for time..

    The answer for me is to keep refreshing the 1k and adding clean slurry..

    Personally no matter what I don't like to use pressure
    When you do get that one Hart's bevel to come together is it an optimum bevel set or is it close enough? I am thinking the very edge of the older Hart's are like two north magnets they just wont come together no matter how hard you try lol....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dshaves View Post
    When you do get that one Hart's bevel to come together is it an optimum bevel set or is it close enough? I am thinking the very edge of the older Hart's are like two north magnets they just wont come together no matter how hard you try lol....
    The one i am referring to is a7/8 ths and some times it can take an edge that is outstanding..
    Bevels will always come together but in the past I did sit there for a good hour trying to set the bevel.
    This was in the early days when I was destroying blades on my Shapton glass stones haha

    Thinking about it ,, it must be a geometry issue....
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