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    Hi,

    In the article "Old Sheffield razors" , written by Henry T. Lummus, we can read this statement (p. 263):

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    Like this (Razors A (1780) & B (1790)):

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    In this specific club, I'd like to gather razors which has such a dip in the spine at the toe,
    a "dip-at-toe" and confirm or contradict the statement that such razors are from 1760 - 1790

    All pics of such razor are welcome, and razors which can be dated even more!

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    First one:

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    George Smith, I believe, due to its form, that this razor is older than 1775, it could be made between 1734 and 1775...

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    Stubtail + Smith George?
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    Next candidate:

    Not sure if this is a "Rowland Ann" with mark SPAIN, but it looks definitely older than 1790, or even older than 1775

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    Brittain Wilkinson & Brownell Sheffield (c1780-1840), Sheffield, trademark ‘France’ (Goins')

    This one is maybe around 1780-1790's
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    I think it would be very interesting to see if there is a connection between the evolution at the tail (<1775 versus 1775 - 1810), and the evolution of the "S" shaped edge (<1775) to
    a more straight line (1775 - 1810)

    Did the shape of the edge also changed around 1775?

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    IF that is the case, we could have an extra classification-tool for razors around
    1760-1775 ("begin dip-at-toe" to "transition tail / edge shape"),
    1775-1790 ("transition period tail / edge shape" to "ending period dip-at-toe"),
    and 1790-1800's (evolution after, with forming of shoulder,...)

    This is of course very preliminary,and not evidence based (at this moment).
    Also, not every razor between 1760 - 1790 would have a "dip-at-toe" in the first place, or have such a "S" shaped edge, this is not exclusive IMHO

    If this idea is already uttered in the past, I'm sorry to re-introduce it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fikira View Post
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    Brittain Wilkinson & Brownell Sheffield (c1780-1840), Sheffield, trademark ‘France’ (Goins')

    This one is maybe around 1780-1790's
    After some clean-up:

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    Another George Smith, with a very special shape for razors at that time!

    Special razor 18th century George Smith

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    Here are a couple.

    Some very old unidentified ones. Note the vastly different tail styles, but persistence of the hollow in the spine at the toe:

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    Possibly Brittain Wilkinson & Brownell (FRANCE), and Widow Rowland (R with crescent):

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    John Leadbeater (ITALY) and possibly John Lindley (pipe with dart):

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    A few as-yet unidentified:

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    William Warburton (LISBON):

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    Whaw!

    A fantastic contribution!

    Thanks a lot!

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    John Leadbeater (ITALY) and possibly John Lindley (pipe with dart):

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    Or maybe even William Lindley?

    1774 Sketchley's:
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    Either way, it fits the timeframe well!

    Thanks!
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