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    Hi Birnando,

    Jose Monserrat Pou E Hijos (JMS & Son) produced razors without Jose Monserrat Pou's name on the tang, including the Sello Doro, but the son did not survive his father very long and the company passed into the hands of the daughter, who along with her step-father stopped investing in the company. Changes in the Spanish Civil Code (CC) in 1985 saw a huge drop-off in sales to barbers and hairdressers. The prohibition had something to do with Swedish Steel, which was in use by the factory at that time, and fabrication from Italian and Pakistani sources was sought, hence the drop-off in quality of some of the last runs of razors. The last production run is supposed to have been in early 1990 - the actual US filing of the trademark was cancelled on the 25th of January 1990 (its first filing in the US seems to have been in 1940) and it was acquired by Margaret Frenkel Goldstein of Weiss, Dawid, Fross, Zelnick & Lehrman of 633 Third Avenue, NY. The very last razors seem to have no tang marks whatsoever.

    The fact that the last razors had no tang markings could be something to do with not renewing the trademark, I suppose.

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    Not wanting to stir the pot but as of today Jan 8 2013 it is still a live trademark.
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    You didn't read my first post thoroughly Martin! You haven't stirred the pot.

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    Also the Filarmonica Doble Temple trademark was cancelled in 1983.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lz6 View Post
    I do indeed think they are legit late production. I have seen those same razors on ebay by seller jappannippon.
    Is he known to sell legit stuff? I got those from someone else I know...

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    I think they are not legit and I`m not an expert at all but if they looks like this Navaja de afeitar Filarmonica I will question them big time.

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    Neil, Might you know when JMP produced the Imperials? Mine has the Eagle logo on the tang,#14 imperial on the other side,JMP is not on the tang but si on the orig box,which I cannot Locate

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    Quote Originally Posted by proximus26 View Post
    I think they are not legit and I`m not an expert at all but if they looks like this Navaja de afeitar Filarmonica I will question them big time.
    Why would ya? It even has the JMP on the tang.... 700 euros though - yikes!

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    OK,

    what i wan tto say if they do not looks like one i have posted and do not have mark of $700 :-) Really I don`t know much about Filarmonica. I know that Sword&Crown mark was copied in thousands and there is many fakes that can be found for sell.
    Quote Originally Posted by olbez View Post
    Why would ya? It even has the JMP on the tang.... 700 euros though - yikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by proximus26 View Post
    OK,

    what i wan tto say if they do not looks like one i have posted and do not have mark of $700 :-) Really I don`t know much about Filarmonica. I know that Sword&Crown mark was copied in thousands and there is many fakes that can be found for sell.
    It's actually over $900... That's incredible!

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